Tonight we played the map again and had exactly the same problems like yesterday. BE had lots of heavy tanks but wasn't able to capture the first flag. Since the last revision of the map it became unplayable for BE and ppl are getting annoyed. Those who want to have a good time on it just try to stack on NF. I had a chat with some ppl on the server and most of them agreed that the map got a lot worse and that it's destroying the fun and the community aspect of playing on KM server.
We really should think about either tweaking resources of the current version on the map, getting the old version back on the server or completely removing it.

Please share your opinion about this.

If its shit its no problem for me to remove it

in fact, I'll do it now...
there's no point keeping it in the cycle if people hate it

If you care about what people say you're extremely naive. People were whining ALL THE TIME when playing 2.1 version. Every single game was just a reason to whine.

The point is that it can't be worse.

And as I said you need some way to make people attack and not just wait with their heavy tanks. The same thing happened with 2.1 version when artillery could only stay near BE gate. It was getting only a few frags and whole fucking team was hiding behind artillery.

Rushing the flag as infantry during first 3 minutes is one of the methods of capturing it. Many people don't know about it yet. There are 120 seconds during which you prepare for the round and I said that we should rush with infantry with caps many times. And what? One person rushed with me and we both died eventually.

Abusing APC spawn immunity is useful too but you need to get APC to the front.

I already gave more resources for BE in earlier beta and NF were getting raped at every flag. First N tanks cleared the mines and after that NF couldn't hold incoming wave of tanks.

Flame111: stacking NF and whining that BE sucks or map is imbalanced is a long tradition for many people playing on this server. They will do that even more often than currently if you change map version to 2.1.

And finally this map is called escort. It means that infantry should ESCORT tanks.

FROG: you're not available for anything when you're needed and now because N people whined after one game where they clearly sucked you want to remove the map? Then what the hell were you doing when 2.1 version was there?

Anyway if you change I'm not playing on KM and I won't send you next betas.

Lol.

How DARE you have a job Frog?!

How DARE you not be on call 24/7!

The sheer audacity!!!

mootant wrote:
Anyway if you change I'm not playing on KM and I won't send you next betas.

It's worth remembering that our server is as far as possible the stock game, were we sticking to that then we'd not be running any betas at all and using the current escort until 2.2 comes out.

Problem then would be not getting the level of testing that putting the map on the KM rotation provides. If there's a problem with the map it gets found!

Which brings us back to escort. It's so much more of a knife edge map than most. It can be total defeat for the NF or the BE could never get out of the base. Or you could get to a flag and get stuck. It's almost the nature of the map that some of the rounds are going to be shitty because it's so skill dependant. Carry on trying to modify stuff but I wouldn't be surprised if it's always a controvertial map.

..because N people whined after one game where they clearly sucked you want to remove the map?

not remove, put the original back in its place.
Any server admin can still change to the updated version.

Then what .. were you doing when 2.1 version was there?

The problem is there is nothing to replace it with.

This updated version has come into the picture and i took the original off as soon as the updated beta map was installed.

As there's been some negative feedback (especially from the staff that admin the server) the logical option is to put the original back and wait for the next version.

1. Removing a map from the map cycle doesn't mean that it won't be played at all.

2. When we played beta3 the first few times on our server BE steamrolled across the whole map in no time. PPL were whining about spawnprotection abuse. Now that NF have realized that it's very hard to hit infantry on top of the middle building with HE-heavies, BE is totally fucked up if the first rush fails. In the previous version BE could easily clear the top of middle building and supress NF infantry comming from spawn by hitting the roof with HE and arty. So if the first rush failed BE still had a chance to fight their way through. Since that roof and arty has been removed it seems to be impossible.

3. Fun aspect of the map:
The main reason why ppl like (or liked) to play escort were those epic battles when BE fought their way across the map and both sides gathered their forces to fight the final battle at the last flag. NF was running out of tickets, BE was running out of time and probably had lost their tanks and the only thing left do is a APC rush in the last few seconds. Either side could still win the map. Man those matches were thrilling.

But as it is for now, one side wil get totally owned. If BE manages to cap the first flag they will steamroll across the map because of the huge amount of heavy tanks they can afford. If not they will get slaughtered not being able to leave the base. Either way, one side will get pissed off and the other side will enjoy the slaughter or get bored by dominating too much.

Maybe it will change over time when both sides adapt their tactics to the new layout of the map, but on a push-map like escort the battle for the last flag should be decisive and not the battle for the first flag.

As said above, removing the map from the map cycle doesn't mean it won't be played. Whenever an admin is on he will put up some of the maps that aren't on the cycle.

APC spawn protection: you can remove it. OMG YES YOU CAN REMOVE. O RLY? YES YOU CAN REMOVE IT. But you don't know how so maybe I shouldn't tell you that at all.

Everything else is just bullshit.

You didn't see beta1 nor beta2 and I don't remember any SINGLE person from KM clan that is a good Empires player. I don't see any point in talking with you about the map if you didn't see earlier escort versions and you don't see problems with 2.1 version.

If not the god damn balancer on your server no one would play Brenodi on 2.1 escort.

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mootant wrote:
I don't remember any SINGLE person from KM clan that is a good Empires player.

were sorry that we dont devote our life to a mod that looks like its been made on ms paint, what difference does it make if we are good or not?

mootant wrote:
APC spawn protection: you can remove it. OMG YES YOU CAN REMOVE. O RLY? YES YOU CAN REMOVE IT. But you don't know how so maybe I shouldn't tell you that at all.

Everything else is just bullshit.

You didn't see beta1 nor beta2 and I don't remember any SINGLE person from KM clan that is a good Empires player. I don't see any point in talking with you about the map if you didn't see earlier escort versions and you don't see problems with 2.1 version.

If not the god damn balancer on your server no one would play Brenodi on 2.1 escort.

wow.

This cat > your life skills

I like it how he thinks he can act however he wants.

Teammates not playing precisely as he wants? - Kill them himself.

Map not liked? - Accuse people of being useless at playing it.

Get banned from the server? - Ask for an unban, be arrogant, and then accuse the server providers of being useless imbeciles who can't play the game well in the first place.

IT'S A THIRD PARTY MOD WHICH VERY FEW PEOPLE PLAY!!! As much as I've enjoyed reading the crap you post, it's now boring me so please go back to flaming people on servers who deserve your ire for not being as good as you think you are.

Commanche wrote:
I like it how he thinks he can act however he wants.

Teammates not playing precisely as he wants? - Kill them himself.

Map not liked? - Accuse people of being useless at playing it.

Get banned from the server? - Ask for an unban, be arrogant, and then accuse the server providers of being useless imbeciles who can't play the game well in the first place.


I have to admit that after initial support I grow tired of this man.