I am unsure why I was banned from KM. It says I was banned for "abuse", which doesn't tell me anything. I wasn't comm, I didn't grief, and I wasn't banned during the round, I just attempted to continue playing on the server, and over the map change yesterday (I don't remember what time, probably about 27 hours ago), I was suddenly banned when the map changed. I was not warned, nro told of what I supposedly did, nor do any of the people playing with me that I was able to contact know why I was bannned or any reason why I should have been banned.

I've played in your servers many times before with no problem, except consistent anti-american comments, which I have no problem putting up with from uptight assholes that can't enjoy a game naturally without bringing in nationality to make themselves feel superior. I have played the game since it first came out in beta and know all the rules, so I am requesting an unban, or at least some sort of explanation of what "abuse" means and why I wasn't informed of said "abuse" being "abuse" before being banned. Thanks.

"=[BSID]= PVT =PVCK) Cpatton" STEAM_0:0:8790317

Hi,

First of all, if you feel there are racist/xenophobic people on the server then you should report then here or to a [KM] staff member (preferably with some proof). Racist/xenophobic comments are breaking our TOS.

I find it quite surprising that you think the server is "anti American" in nature anyway as the time ive been there playing myself there have been more comments from players "across the pond" about British/European accents than anything said about America - for example, someone who regulars on the server is known as "funny accent guy" to some players who have no problem calling him it when he joins the server.

There's no point for me to try and argue the server isn't "anti American" - above is simply my opinion - as I said before, if there are racist/xenophobic comments then you should be reporting them to [KM].

Regarding your ban; The reason you got kicked during map change is your ban was entered manually into our bans database and not made by an admin on the server at the time - this is why you were not kicked.

Noted reason: Being Abusive
Behaviour breaking our TOS:
22:58:50: "=[BSID]= PVT =PVCK) Cpatton" said "FUCK KM"
22:58:52: "=[BSID]= PVT =PVCK) Cpatton" said "THEY SUCK<"

Its worth noting that when your "friends" asked in the server chat shortly after you were kicked they were notified of the reason. (I assume they were your friends as they knew what happened & were in your clan) So I guess they either didn't tell you or you want to try and pad out your unban request (maybe that's why you went the anti-American route?)

I never said the server itself was anti american, but as you said, your opinion is that there are more insults targeted accross the pond towards europeans, and my opinion is quite the opposite.

Regardless, I only brought this up response to being relative to the statement "I have never had any problems with KM".


The comment I made about KM was in response to an issue I had completely forgotten about. I joined the server on the map change, and before I join a team, I join spectator, simply by habit, waiting to see which team gets more of the stronger players so I can go to the opposing team to balance. However, i soon found that by joining spectator, I could NOT join either team for a whole minute, effectively keeping me from participating in the command vote or allowing me to become commander (which is a position I like to play almost all the time). Frustrated at this spectator time limit (and while I understand its purpose is probably to help the auto balance, it still was frustrating to discover), I said those two lines, grumbled in vent, and forgot all about it.

I completely forgot about this whole ordeal, but a simple kick at the time might have been nice, rather than a ban for a statement you could more effectively disprove by playing the game and killing me a bunch of times, or even a warning. Having now remembered the reason behind this, I am actually quite frustrated at the moment that for such a stupid reason I was banned, without even asking why but just assuming I'm an asshole and for saying such blasphemy about your clan. I must be some flaming troll looking to cause trouble and should be banned for all time because I said those two lines, yes that must be it. Well, if you don't confront people who seem dissatisfied, and just ban them, I'm sure your players will always be satisfied right? Anyways, this is argumentative, and I know this is neither here nor there, but regardless of what you do with me, I recommend you try asking the next disgruntled customer to not be so disgruntled, or maybe inquire as to why he would be.

Of course you can run your server how you want. I realize having made the statement, I cannot undo it, and if you choose to be spiteful in your administration of the servers and your handout of bans, then I expect you have already taken all the action you will take in the matter. Either way, I respect your decision, and leave it at that.



Also, as for my clan members, the discussion promptly switched about 30 seconds after I brought it up, so whether anyone was informed or not, I don't know, but I certainly wasn't told.

Oh, before I leave, and considering this a separate issue from the ban (again, spiteful behavior would use this opinion as further leverage for the ban, but I'm going to assume I'm talking to people able to take criticism), I have one other opinion that you may find helpful, cause I feel as long as I'm here, I may as well participate. While I'm sure you guys find it cool to have your logo appear every time someone dies, for me it is kind of frustrating to see your logo every time I die, and instead of thinking "oh wow thats cool", what runs through my mind (especially when one is frustrated with the reason for their death) is "wow these guys are arrogant and rather pushy with their advertising", and it really didn't endear your clan to me. If you want noobs who don't know thats a simple job and think that sort of arrogant behavior is cool in a clan to want to join you, then keep it. Its my opinion though that that impression is not held by just me, and you guys might want to ask your forum members what they think. Anyways, Good Luck to all.

EDIT: One more thing, if you want your message sent to someone, kick them after the offense with a more descriptive reason please. I realized that it was a manual ban, simply by the fact that it took place on map change, but was entirely baffled at the reason for it because you gave me something entirely unspecific to my crime ("being abusive" told me nothing where as "Flaming KM" would have at least told me what I was doing wrong), and at the same time I played that entire map when my crime happened even before anyone started moving.

wow. that's a lot of text.

While I agree that you do not deserve a ban, your attitude is somewhat... amusing.

First of all, I would like to point out that we are not in company-client relationship. Everything that you see here (web-site, servers, logos when you die, etc) is done by people who do this for free in their own time (supported by donations mainly from other clan members).

Second of all, taking the first argument into account you should also note that since we are not obliged to you in any way, the willingness to unban you is strongly based on the admin's opinion about you. I suggest you think about that.

It's not about who is superior, it is about being nice to eachother and most people can't be bothered to (nor have time to) deal with you when you attempt to turn your request into a demand so aggressively.

The comment I made about KM was in response to ... I could NOT join either team for a whole minute...

The new 60 second "cool down" period for team changers has been well publicised to the whole EMP community and if you give the thread a read you can see im more than open to suggestions on fixing the problems raised.

...Well, if you don't confront people who seem dissatisfied, and just ban them, I'm sure your players will always be satisfied right?... I recommend you try asking the next disgruntled customer to not be so disgruntled, or maybe inquire as to why he would be.

The only reason this community has been alive for more than 3 years is the fact the staff listen to people. People are invited while in game, via chat, via this forum and even via an online suggestion box to make comments about our services and/or request new features.

When your shouting "fuck km" would you expect me to say "sorry sir, what can I do to solve your problem?"

I'm not sure if you work in customer services or something with people shouting "fuck <your company name here>" at you all day - but that kind of stance on a situation does not normally result in a constructive conversation.

.... ...if you choose to be spiteful in your administration of the servers and your handout of bans...

Its not out of spite - its keeping the game on our servers at a high standard. We do not tolerate nasty or inflammatory people and their comments, this is more than clear in our TOS and has been a core value of [KM] from its birth.

...I'm talking to people able to take criticism...for me it is kind of frustrating to see your logo every time I die..."wow these guys are arrogant and rather pushy with their advertising"...

While this probably isn't the best thread (and will probably drag it off topic) you should have noticed in the time before you were banned that the original logo has now been removed and is currently under more development.

The core reasons for the logo are to encourage people to visit the website and also make sure they know what server they are playing on. High quality servers are what we are about so when people know they are playing on a [KM] server they should know what to expect.

You may also be aware that servers cost a large amount of money and if anyone would ever wish to contribute to the running costs they would need to visit this website to get the needed information.

...if you want your message sent to someone, kick them after the offence...

I think you've got the message. The banning style is designed to get people to discuss the problem at hand which is why we provide contact info on the banned dialogue - and the system works.

cpatton wrote:
I joined the server on the map change, and before I join a team, I join spectator, simply by habit, waiting to see which team gets more of the stronger playersso I can go to the opposing team to balance.

is it just me that finds this funny

actually no, I didn't get the message, until I decided to spend my time coming here to protest the ban. Had I not decided to do so (and quite frankly I am not a KM community member) I would have never known. While I understand your administration style can be considered appropriate, I administrate 6counterstrike servers myself, and we ussually warn people about that sort of thing at the very least, before we just think to ourselves "well fuck you then" and ban them.

At the very least, kick the person at the time of crime ya? I was HIGHLY confused, since I played the entire round and forgot about the whole damn thing.



Alarm- say what you want about my skill, thats your perogative as someone I haven't played much with. As I've said, I'm no KM community member. I don not "prefer" your server. Reason? You don't allow the most people of all the servers, and I live in America, as a result my ping is lower elsewhere. I simply go where the people are, and frankly that (until recently) has ussually been mittoes (not defending the server quality, just the amount of people). Ask most people who p[lay on midttoes that also come to your server about my skill as a commander, and some will hate me and some will like me, but they all will say I'm rather on the good side. I leave the decision up to you if I ever play a game with you. This thread is not about my skill, I made the claim and I could care less whether you take it for truth since you probably have no reason to believe me.

Sneg - my attitude is indeed amusing, because I'm not coming here to suck up and grovel to your admins, because I said what I said out of pure triviality and forgot about it. Again, kick, warning, anyothing would have got the message to me, and as I said, what you guys did DID NOT. I had to come here and wait some time to have my account approved, post, and wait longer to recieve a message, and then it took me at least an hour of replying to even remember why and when the hell I said that. I really was lost because of the lazy ban. Again, send a message by kick/ban if you care about the message and dont want these low lives who you decide aren't "high quality" to come crawling into your forums wondering why they were banned.

I also realize that the willingness to unban me is purely up to admin, and you will decide what you want. It is your sever. I am actually not really too inclined to push you one way or another, as I said, you are not my first community. Simply put,I came here stating my side, and my opinion, and that is all I expect to do. Whether you decide to take my nonchalant attitude as arrogant or egotistical because I choose not to step carefully because I'm banned, is up to you.


Also, good to here you guys removed the logo. It hadn't bothered me that game, so I guess that's why, but seeing as I only played one map, I didn't really have time to notice. Again, Good luck to all running your servers.

cpatton wrote:
I administrate 6counterstrike servers myself...

Whether you decide to take my nonchalant attitude as arrogant or egotistical because I choose not to step carefully

Rofl...

Praise him for he admins elsewhere and does not step carefully on other people's servers.

I love it how he claims to be nonchalant but still made an "unban me" post with the claim below...

cpatton wrote:
I have played the game since it first came out in beta and know all the rules

Either he doesn't care and would therefore not make the post in the first place or he's going to start crying any minute now...

ive said this before tbh but:


i just love the way ppl bitch/cry/moan about a service they dont pay for....

tbh m8, its our server and i think we are entitled to post anything we like on it whether that be logos or what ever. if you dont like it no one is asking you to stay there and play.


just because your servers operate a little differently from ours, that does not mean to say you can come here demanding ours to change to suit your needs just because you didn't get a little message to go with your ban. as far as i am aware if you into the developers console you will see a message in there (well you do on the css servers anyway) or maybe that was just "laziness" who knows...

2 cpatton.

Could you please explain to me why making a request to unban is tantamount to sucking up while making aggressive demands is perfectly reasonable? And in Rome do as the Romans do, isn't that common courtesy?

If you are not prepared to respect us as hosts and be kind to us, neither are we prepared to respect you as a guest and be kind to you. End of.

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