... yes i know im around in auz, however wen im in the usa im gona be building a new comp. if ne1 who knows ne thing about building a machine from scratch, and u have time + patiance to help me who has more money than sense plz post so i can get hold of u. cheers

Yeh i can help. Just built pretty much a whole pc from scratch

frogs building tips:

- Core 2 Duo E6700 (or the EX6800 if your loaded)

- Stick with Nvidia (top of the range atm is the 8800 get 512mb of ram @ least - check the clock speeds before you buy, lower speed, slower card)

- Get a WD Raptor hard drive, they are fast as fuck (you can get sizes from 75gb to 150gb and beyond(?))

- if you want storage space, get another drive (slower, but bigger)

- If you dont get RAID, stick with SATA drives

- try and get the fastest memory your motherbord can take, get at least 2gb of memory, and make sure you run in dual channel mode - dont worry to much about brands, if the memory is fast it will be fine

Motherboards
ASUSTeK COMPUTER - ASUS Striker Extreme Republic of Gamers Series

Graphics Cards #1
MSI - NX8800GTX T2D768E - GEFORCE 8800GTX PCI-E VGA-768MB DUAL DVI TVOUT HDT

Graphics Cards #2
MSI - NX8800GTX T2D768E - GEFORCE 8800GTX PCI-E VGA-768MB DUAL DVI TVOUT HDT


System Memory
2 X Corsair DHX XMS2 Dominator Dual Channel 2048MB PC6400 DDR2 800Mhz Memory

1 X 1GB mem from old comp


Power Supplies
SILVERSTONE /ST75ZF /750-WATT /ATX /80MM FAN /SATA-READY /SLI-READY /PFC /POWER SUPPLY


WD Raptor WD1500ADFD - Hard drive - 150 GB - internal - 3.5" - SATA-150 - 10000 rpm - buffer: 16 MB

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NEED HELP WITH CPU HOWEVER IM STUCK BETWEEN:

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ok next i need some help with the case and cooling units....


the last case i got was rubbish and ended up having to by an external 19inch fan to keep the cpu cool...

this one however i want a case that will manage to keep all this shit cold...

any ideas with these 2 will be greatly appreciated

just found a new case:
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Post edited by: [KM] ~The~King~, at: 08/02/2007 06:30

I've got one of these. It's a big case, but loads of space means better cooling.

Got a 12cm intake in the front, 12cm intake on the side (custom side to take fan) and a 12cm exhaust on the back.

CPU is running a bog standard cooling unit - Never managed to get the CPU above 50 degrees.

Post edited by: [KM] The Husband, at: 25/01/2007 12:56

I love Antec cases.. ive got one of these
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-049-AN

but what you want is one of these
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-065-AN

dont get the case in the US, it will be a nightmare transporting it.

CPU..
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-129-IN

That will make a nice system, King. But there's one thing to consider about the hardrives. The WD Raptor is probably the best and fastest SATA-HD, if you're building a workstation that will be standing in the next room with air conditioning or something. Not sure if you want to have a station like that under your desk, because those HDs are quite loud. For that money you could buy 2 slower and more quiet HD and a SATA Raid controller, if your MOBO doesn't already have one. You would have more capacity and it would be still quite fast. Silence ftw
ps. If you want to build a raid, you will need 2 or 4 indentical HDs.

Post edited by: [KM] Flame111, at: 25/01/2007 14:40

ok flame you have 100% completely managed to confuse in one post...

ur saying that the current hd im looking at will be noisy... can ya gimmi some sort of indication as to how noisy it will be..

ie noisy enuf to disrupt my concentration with playing games.. as it will be directly under my desk..

and with regards to ur alternative can you mabey point me in the right direction...

if i buy 2 slower internal Hds and a sata raid controller would it really make that much difference to performance and noise levels.. and as ive never worked with 2 internal drives i dont know how they would operate togeather? //see im a total noob at this


also i aint got a clue what a raid is?

just read this and now my brain hurts

also in ur opinion is it worth getting the 2 slower hds rather than one faster hds ?




ok now with regards to the cpu...

shad do u beleive that the one u suggested is far better than the ones i suggested and do u beleieve that its worth the extra money getting it ?


now for the case...

yeah i kinda guessed not to get the case in the us

the Antec Nine Hundred Ultimate Gaming case shad suggested seems perfect..... thanks





however dont u think that the cpu cooling unit needs to be upgraded to liike....

one of these?

[KM] ~The~King~ wrote:
ok flame you have 100% completely managed to confuse in one post...

STRIKE

Nah sorry, I didn't want to confuse you.
Well, I can't say how noisy a WD Raptor will be, because I never had one. But here are a few links about sound emmissions (lol sorry, this is getting even more confusing)
WD Raptor sound emission : 39 dBa

Hardwaretest which says that sound emission can be up to 4.9 Sone, however not constantly

Hardwaretest which says that silent HDs emit 1.5-1.9 Sone when idle and 2.6-2.9 Sone in operation

Comparing levels of sound emission: normal talking ~1-4 Sone, TV set ~4 Sone

I hope this is helpful. I had very noisy HDs for about 6 years (probably louder than a WD Raptor will be). They never disrupted my concentration when playing, however now I'm very happy to have silent HDs ( 2 x Samsung Spinpoint 200 GB running as a RAID).


OK, now about RAID. That's combining multiple HDs to 1 storage device. Let's keep it simple:
If you have 2 identical HDs (same size, same brand) connected to a RAID controller, you have 2 possible configurations. Without a RAID you would simply have 2 seperate Drives.

RAID 0 (striped): Both HDs will run together like 1 big single HD. Data/Files will be split and written on both HDs at the same time. This means you have the combined capacity of both HDs and the tranfer rate will be nearly double of a single HD (=> very fast). Windows will show 1 big Drive instead of 2 small Drives.
However if 1 HD has a failure, all data will be lost, because the remainig HD will contain only half of the necessary data.

RAID 1 (mirrored): Data/Files will be written entirely on both HDs. If 1 HD fails, no data will be lost as you have exactly the same copy on the 2nd HD. However you'll have the capacity and tranfer rate of only 1 HD (=>normal speed but very safe). As this configuration is only about security and not about fast performance, it's for wimps only.

If this is the motherboard you're going to buy, you wouldn't need to by a RAID controller, because it has one onboard.

In order to get set up a RAID you will have to:
1. Change a BIOS setting
2. Cofigure your RAID controller
3. When installing Windows on a RAID you will be asked to install a mass storage device driver from a floppy disk first and therefore you will need a floppy drive.
This sounds a bit complicated, but in fact it's not. Even I managed to do it myself and when I did it the first time, I've been pretty much a hardware n00b, too.
But if you don't feel like you want to do this, just forget everything I've said.

Long story short, if you want performance get a WD Raptor, if you want silence get something else, no matter if you want a RAID or just a single HD.
WD Caviar® SE16 or maybe Samsung SpinPoint T166

edit: Oh and if you want überperformance, then make a RAID 0 with 2 Raptors

Post edited by: [KM] Flame111, at: 26/01/2007 20:26

raptors are noisy because they are damn fast!

be warned, with raid 0 there is a chance things can fall over... and it does fall over.

the only way raid will give you more performance is at raid 0, the other ones are just for making it so you dont loose data if a hard drive fails.

i would stick with a raptor and get a good case that will make the noise less

no risk no fun

tbh losing all ur data aint fun!raid stripe 1 ftw!

That's what backing up is for!!!